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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
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So the Earth being a ball is a " analogy"?
You know, I do take responsibility for this smaller version of it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I would normally believe nobody can be as desperate as Coveny but apparently you can be. He did make logical arguments when he started, I will admit that, but after that was refuted he turned to trolling.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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It was basically "Blah blah blah Debateisland is toxic even tho Im a blatant t roll blah blah blah I want Neil Degrasse Tyson to say we live on a Shittake Mushroom blah blah blah"
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Considering he and every other globetard will believe anything as long as you put "Scientists say" in front of it, He probably believes that is true. Maybe his secret god Neil deGrasse Tyson said so.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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"Now had he put the magnet in the water, and positioned the second magnet you would notice a mirrored effect on the other side, but the glass prevents this."
Goes, so far, unevidenced. Assumed. Pseudoscience.
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The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I’m not making any claims, I’m asking a question.
Do you know how to answer a question?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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"You can see the oblonging effect in the video so there is evidence of this, so this isn't pseudoscience."
The claim you made specifically, stop dodging the question and building strawmen. The "oblong effect" was between the magnets, your claim is that
"...had he put the magnet in the water, and positioned the second magnet you would notice a mirrored effect on the other side, but the glass prevents this."
You are begging the question, literally dodging the main point that would prove your claim. You can't possibly be this fallacious. Perform the experiment to provide the evidence for your claim if you can find it being performed. Or will I have to do it for you? At least you finally concede that it's pseudoscientific with: "I will give you there is an assumption that the glass prevents the distortion"
Thank you, finally you've conceded the main argument. I'm screenshotting this and framing it.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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I just joined and have been having some difficulty getting things to work, but the site owner is working on fixing my issues as we speak.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I can’t find where you answered the question.
Would you be so kind as to copy and paste your answer into your response to this post?
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Looking at lights in the sky proves nothing about the ground you walk on. That's like looking at the billiard balls and stating that the table is spherical too. In all actuality, you can not see them as spheres anyway. When I say the earth is flat, I mean the entire heliocentric model is false. We've all been duped. There's nowhere else to go.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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The reason that the oceans have a high tide twice a day is because of a standing wave that is set up by the moon pulling the moon-side of the oceans over. The Earth rotates while the moon orbits much slower.
The Earth like all other masses above a certain weight (and hence strength of gravity) was pulled into a ball by two forces - initially the gravity. But then the compression of the mass caused core to melt and the surface tension of the core caused it to form into a ball. In fact we can see these things occurring with the small moons of the various planets today.
The interior of the sun is something in the neighborhood of 27 million degrees Kelvin. This causes the sun to be almost a perfect black body emitter so the outer layers of the sun exude heat in vast quantities and cool it to 5,778 degrees Kelvin. The nuclear forces cannot generate sufficient heat to keep the emissions in check.
Likewise at one time when compressing into a ball the entire Earth was pretty molten but over time emitted heat off until while the inner core temperature of the Earth is 6,300 degrees Kelvin and almost entirely iron the other much lighter elements flowed to the top as it cooled to a mean global temperature of about 290 degrees Kelvin.
The basics of these things are pretty easy to understand if you aren't a flat-earther (corrected because wrong term) believing the the Earth is the center of the universe.
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Of course not. We haven't even begun to explore our world. By having reached enough advancement in technology, this is when we could be exploring whole new worlds past the ice wall. But noooo, .. BB-Evolutionary atheists would rather make a treaty so they can claim "overpopulation" and kill the "few" people (mere 7 billion) that we do have on the Earth.
God gave us simple instructions: "Fill the Earth".
Snake-tongued NASA says: "Fill the imaginary space first"
Jesus said: "Love one another"
NASA says: "Poison one another, chem-trails, water, air .."
Jesus said: "You are the Temple of God, take care of your body"
NASA/CERN says: "Our body is poorly made, use it as a scratch pad"
Besides, you keep ignoring my simple request to NASA/ISS. I'll even provide the bowling ball and the marbles. I'll provide their whole solar system with marbles that will look just like all the paintings of their planet gods.
Matter of fact, I'll even try to find someone, like a Flat Earther who is doing another weather balloon experiment to show everyone just how flat the Earth is, and have him bring the bowling ball right to the door of their ISS! All the Astronauts have to do is; stop playing with their perms, do a few backflips to the door of the ISS, open the plastic door, .. reach out and take it!
So what do you say @Coveny? Will you help put all this Flat Earth evidences/proofs to rest, or just keep making excuses and keep clicking that "fallacy button"?
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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It's got nothing to do with whether or not the Erf is flat.
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Besides, @Christ there are no "planets", those are stars, some round, some flat, some wibbly-wobbly, some wondering, some dark etc. (please look up F.E. YouTube, of actual videos of stars) or brows through Erfisflats O.P. on the subject.
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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What is an Erf anyway?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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If there were proof for the flat earth I would help you, but there are MOUNTAINS of evidence against the flat earth and the book desert dwellers created thousands of years ago who didn't know anything. I make no excuses, and yes I will continue to click fallacy. Those don't get deleted like my posts do.
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"You have not disproved this assumption, and I have presented evidence to back up my claim. (even if it's not great evidence) "
I have nothing to disprove, let alone your idiotic assumptions. You claimed that the fluid would bulge on the opposite side of the attracting magnet, this is your burden to prove. Coincidentally this is also the conclusion that you're assuming.
Shifting the burden and assuming the conclusion.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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I do not see assumption anywhere in that definition, which means you are ignorant of the scientific method. AKA a pseudoscientist.
Pseudoscience: noun; a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.
Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer
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Those most likely to fall prey to their brand of manipulation are the vulnerable people who aren't very smart or educated and therefore easy to exploit.
This also creates a pathway to people who may not be religious when they encounter the Flat Earth movement and think that it is scientific in nature.
Unfortunately many religious people see science, education and rational thought as a threat to their way of life when in reality it has brought them all of the benefits of the way of life we enjoy today.
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There are 4 fallacies here, do I need to make 3 more accounts to mark it as fallacy for all 4?
In my experience with globers, they atleast try but fail miserably to construct logical arguments (usually boiling down to NASA photos and the Eratosthenes experiment) and ultimately when this is refuted they turn to fallacies.
Ad hominem= Refering to flat Earthers as "uneducated idiots". It's interesting you act like you feel bad for flat Earthers for disagreeing with you then proceed to call us "uneducated idiots"
Guilty by association/Hasty Generalization= Just because some flat Earthers are religious does NOT make the flat Earth a religious movement.
Strawman= So instead of addressing ANYTHING we have said, you have instead decided to refer to the flat Earth as a movement designed to discredit "science, education, and rational thought". This is a strawman argument if I've ever seen one. This is not only a strawman of the flat Earth but also religious movements. I couldn't laugh harder when someone calls the globe "science, education and rational thought". The heliocentric globe model as a whole is based on contradictory pseudoscience. Clarify if you need an explanation.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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"you have to understand that any pictures of the earth as a globe are lies to flat earthers" That's because they are. NASA has admitting to faking images but even then they've been debunked, and things like red bull fall, airplane windows, etc. have already been debunked
"Even though the planets can be seen from earth with telescopes, and have colors, objects, etc that goes against what the bible says about "holes in the filament that light comes through" Perhaps you've never looked through a telescope before?
"You could take them to Mars, and they would still deny it exists" My only hope of being a heliocentric glober again is for you to show me the globe in person. Take me. Up high.
"And anything they can't explain (like no pictures of the edge, flight times, time zone, etc is a conspiracy" Yes, well we've explained on multiple occassions the "pictures of the edge of the Earth" (there is no "edge of the flat Earth) "time zones" (I showed that circle timezones work, but you keep ignoring that) "flight times" (we showed why they make more sense on a flat Earth), etc, but you don't like that it's irrefutable, so you just want to pretend it never happened.
"It's unfalsifiable because of their cognitive dissonance, but they've been ridiculed for their beliefs so much that they've turned to mocking, name calling, and just calling anyone who disagrees with them exactly what they are called like a kindergartener" I would say the person who has ridiculed us the most is you. You spent half of this debate insulting us, and lecturing us on how we were "crying" for calling you out, and then tried to blame me and Erfisflat for the insults. And when I said you were most likely a t roll, you got very, very emotional.
"You can provide no proof they will accept, no science they can't twist, and they are VERY happy trying to get others to join them in their anti-science cult."- The reason we won't accept the proof is because most of the "proof" we've been given is just so easy to refute.
@Coveny If you spend your time needlessly flagging every opposing opinion as spam or fallacy, and then insult them, and then trying to deflect it, you won't get anywhere. Why are you on a debate website again?
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Very persuasive...
"Guilty by association/Hasty Generalization= You don't know if I've looked through a telescope" Explain how EITHER of these are association fallacies. Also, which ad hom is worse? Calling someone "stupid" and "retarded" then crying a river of crocodile tears OR calling the person who is most likely a t roll a t roll?
This is the only thing you've significantly changed.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1p6M-VgXHwwdpJarhyQYapBz-kRc6FrgdOLFAd3IfYz8/edit
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Thank you @Wake you said: - the bunching up of liquids in zero g conditions only occurs to those liquids with sufficient surface tension. Water does have this. Virtually all liquids have surface tension that I'm aware of but alcohols and such have low enough values that they tend to break up into small bubble-like formations instead of staying in one large mass in zero g conditions.
Yes I see, thanks. We can also see this by putting a drop of water on the table, vs. alcohol. The thing is, can you show me how quantum dust particles would bunch up like that into a ball in Zero-G?
Wake - The Earth like all other masses above a certain weight (and hence strength of gravity) was pulled into a ball by two forces - initially the gravity. But then the compression of the mass caused core to melt and the surface tension of the core caused it to form into a ball. In fact we can see these things occurring with the small moons of the various planets today.
Oh yes, .. I can see how those moons on those various planets are forming with my 10" Celestron, .. truly amazing. The "compression" is also phenomenal, especially knowing that gravity is not a force!
So how did "gravity" pull those quantum gas particles into a ball so tight that it created molten lava, .. all while "expanding the vacuum of Spacetime" after the Big-Bang?? I tell you, I sure would like to get my hands on a jarful of gravity! Maybe the perm-lady on the ISS can reach out and collect some in a jar for me?
Wake - The interior of the sun is something in the neighborhood of 27 million degrees Kelvin. This causes the sun to be almost a perfect black body emitter so the outer layers of the sun exude heat in vast quantities and cool it to 5,778 degrees Kelvin. The nuclear forces cannot generate sufficient heat to keep the emissions in check.
Yes, I guess we can even see into the core of the sun (YouTube Flat Earth videos), but get an accurate temperature reading of 27 million Kelvin?? Oh well, I guess that Jesuit LUCIFER telescope here on Mt. Graham would know all about Heat-Fire-hell, right? And the nuclear forces cannot generate sufficient heat, .. you mean 27 million degrees Kelvin is not hot enough? Just add more gravity, .. whic seems to be the answer to everything in the universe! I still want that jar of gravity before they close shop on the ISS
Wake - Likewise at one time when compressing into a ball the entire Earth was pretty molten but over time emitted heat off until while the inner core temperature of the Earth is 6,300 degrees Kelvin and almost entirely iron the other much lighter elements flowed to the top as it cooled to a mean global temperature of about 290 degrees Kelvin.
The basics of these things are pretty easy to understand if you aren't a flat-earther (corrected because wrong term) believing the the Earth is the center of the universe
OK, so let me picture this? Space right now outside the ISS is - 2.7 Kelvin and a vacuum. The average temperature of Earth surface is 16 C. The Earth is loosing heat through radiation (like the sun is) yet after 4.2 billion years (since the Earth reached this ideal temperature to sustain life) it has not frozen? Core of the earth is as real as the pictures of your planets billions of light years away. Please, ..
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If there were proof for the flat earth I would help you, but there are MOUNTAINS of evidence against the flat earth and the book desert dwellers created thousands of years ago who didn't know anything. I make no excuses, and yes I will continue to click fallacy. Those don't get deleted like my posts do.
God told me?
OK Coveny, show me one, .. that's right just ONE thing from the MOUNTAINS of scientific evidence against the flat Earth, .. just ONE, .. without referring to: "Einstein told me, the 70's answering machine named Stephen Hawking's told me, Lawrence Krauss told me, the Priest George Lemaitre told me, Maxwell, Hubble, the 'Perm' , the back flipping astronaut from the ISS told me etc." .. and remember it has to be scientific evidence against the flat Earth!
Let's hear it?
Wait, .. whose deleting Coveny's posts?
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@Christ you have to understand that any pictures of the earth as a globe are lies to flat earthers. Even though the planets can be seen from earth with telescopes, and have colors, objects, etc that goes against what the bible says about "holes in the filament that light comes through". You could take them to Mars, and they would still deny it exists.
Yes, that too "Christ"! NASA will take you to Mars even if they have to build a $2.3 million dollar school bus to get you there! No expense spared when it comes to their deception, it's not just the fake photos, cartoon films, Inflatable Space shuttles, but threats, murders, government takeovers, there is no limit to their deception, and no line they wouldn't cross. Please watch this film?
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Scientific method: noun; a method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Evidence:
Flights times over antarctica only work if the world is a globe (or prove that only those commercial flights are going mach 2)
The line that goes from the north to south pole only works on a globe (or prove how the circle of light creates a line from the north to south poles)
The height of the sun in the sky only works on a globe (or you'll need to explain how it is that it doubles the speed of its circle rotation in winter, and cuts it in half in summer with such precision)
We can't see the back of the moon (or eclipses)
The stars are flipped in the other hemisphere (and don't tell me it's because of perspective magic)
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"Mountains"??? Looks like you're licking the bottom of the bowl on this. None of these actually prove curvature or axial rotation. Look I've explained all of these strawmen to you, it's not my fault you can't understand simple concepts like perspective and refraction.
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